WTF America?

"You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much" (youcantellafinn) 08/06/2013 at 15:47 • Filed to: WTF

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Politics in reply and all that, but why do we keep allowing the feds to spy on us and blatantly ignore Constitutional restrictions on their power?

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-u-di…

PRBot II > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 15:52

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Because we the people don't get to vote directly on federal laws. If only there was a way we could change that. I wonder if anyone has tried ?

Casper > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 15:52

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The answer would be because people are so weak/insecure that they don't care what they lose so long as someone says it's for their own safety. The quality of people is in a serious downward spiral.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > PRBot II 08/06/2013 at 15:56

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I'd contend that having legislators actually legislate instead of delegating all rules-making authority to agencies would be a step in the right direction.

Who needs sway bars anyway > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 15:56

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Because the current majority of the population is more concerned with their selfish nonsense like abortion and who they can marry and their "Obama phone" than the important things that are effecting everyone in the country including the continued infringement of our rights and liberties in the name of "safety", as well as the crumbling state of the economy due the the heavy regulation and taxes on small and large businesses, the expansion of the welfare state and the people manipulating the system, and the MAJOR effect that Obamacare has had on the way that companies are hiring new employees.

HUGE DISCLAIMER : Its not that I don't think things like abortion or gay marriage are important, its that there is SO much MORE important things going on that are effecting EVERYONE!!!

PRBot II > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/06/2013 at 15:57

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Good point.

For Sweden > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 15:58

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Because the President is, like, cool and stuff.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 16:02

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What do you mean 'allow'? It is either be peaceful about dis-agreeing, or be violent about it.

There hasn't been an election since the latest scandals... we'll see how it goes... but I do share your cynicism that not much may change, and that the electorate is 'fat, drunk, and stupid, and that is no way to go through life, son.'

When our representatives represent government corruption, not the people, then the people have little recourse but to choose between peace and insurrection.

Don't confuse 'allowance' with acceptance, or condoning, or agreement, just because nobody is being violent about it.

And the news media won't cover political dissent against the government accurately anyway... so we likely don't have an accurate view of what the real people on the ground think... and what a lot of the real people on the ground think is probably inaccurate because of the news media.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > PRBot II 08/06/2013 at 16:07

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Well, we can't change that because it's, uh, constitutionally forbidden. Not that that's stopping anyone in government, but it's not the solution.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 08/06/2013 at 16:32

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The problem is that is doesn't matter who you vote for. The people in office, whether Democrat or Republican keep voting to allow this shit. Or they remain willfully ignorant regarding the issues they are supposed to oversee, or the bureaucrats running the agencies blatantly lie to protect their power.

As an example, the Congressman I voted for in the last election won. Since then he has voted to allow NSA spying on citizens which I don't agree with. But if I vote for the party I really want to, then I might as well be voting for the guy that I want to vote against. And the other problem with our system is that my votes for President and Senator don't count for shit. They are completely utterly meaningless. Both of our Senators and the President are elected by Big Union and Big Business interests in one end of the state. Since I live in a rural area far away from the money my vote doesn't matter.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 08/06/2013 at 17:07

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Agreed.

I loathe both parties almost equally anymore.

One party will lie about their opponents, and promote policies that are untenable and irrational, solely based on making people feel a certain way, and buying votes with handouts from others.

The other party pays lip-service to being an opponent, and parrots the sensible, rational position, until it comes under even more attack, and then they crumble, and even if they are elected, they are more interested in going-along to get-along, and playing the corrupt game, that they may as well have been the other party, and not LIED about themselves almost as much as their opponent lies about them.

It is a non-choice most of the time, not between A vs. B, but A vs. A' that calls itself B, but doesn't act like any real alternative.

They won't vote to defund the over-reaching NSA. They won't vote to defund destructive socialized health insurance under the purview of the corrupt IRS, they flirt with voting for amnesty, and have given up on border security, while claiming that NSA is all about national security, and they kick the can down the road on the Debt, while giving the opposition carte blanche with sequester measures and economic stimulus, and everything else they want.

They quibble about a continuing resolution in the Senate, when it should be illegal to pass a fifth year of continuing resolutions, in leu of a CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED budget that they refuse to even touch, because then it would be transparent just how badly they break it anyway.

There is little possibility of any reform, short of a hard reset, and nobody is going to like what that means on the ground.

Destructive Tester > Who needs sway bars anyway 08/06/2013 at 20:53

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You're actually pretty spot-on. The Democratic-Republican Party (yeah its a thing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrati… ) has discovered that it is much more effective to divide the electorate over evenly split "moral" issues (abortion, gay-marriage, etc.) to effectively create an "us" vs. "them" tribal mentality. This mentality makes it almost unthinkable to hold an elected official accountable, because "there's no way I can vote for ONE OF THEM..." This tribe mentality is reinforced by the blatantly partisan "news organizations" (Fox, MSNBC,...) and highly partisan talking heads who serve to polarize the already divided electorate, virtually eliminating any chance for compromise. Throw-in the widespread ignorance of the average American on the actual design and duties of each branch of government and you have a recipe for our current state.